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Lois Francis's avatar

I am grateful for the lucid Clairity Yeadon and Rancourt have brought to the discussion.

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Baldmichael's avatar

I am sorry to say that Robert Malone is not to be trusted as he doesn't tell the whole truth.

https://baldmichael.substack.com/p/robert-malone-md-controlled-opposition?utm_source=publication-search

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Ragna Raven's avatar

Malone is not trustworthy.

He´s oh so smart and oh so talkative.

But what he really is is SECRETIVE AND CUNNING.

I, for one, do not trust him.

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Anthony's avatar

David Martin is a Freemason. Back in 2021, when he came on the anti-"vaccine” scene, It was easy to find his M-CAM site. Now you have to spend a little time trying to find it. He has tried to cover it up with a few other sites.

On his M-CAM business site, his logo is 100% Freemason.

Check it out.

https://www.m-cam.com/about-us/

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Ubetcha's avatar

I understand the contention, but my personal experience cannot be denied. I got seriously sick in Oct 2021. They symptoms were like nothing I ever experienced in 60 years. So if the pandemic never occurred, what did I have? I never got the shot. Could the mRNA poison spread like a contagion?

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Essy Harris's avatar

There is shedding. And since you were violently ill, have you been able to rule out insect stings, bites,food,water, or meds,borne illness, allergy, smoke, other environmental pollutants, vitamin decifiency, or parasite?

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Anthony's avatar

Up until early October 2019, I have never had any serious health issues. I’m a gym freak, and I eat well, etc.

Beginning in Oct 2019, I came down with a range of symptoms affecting my entire body. I had shortness of breath just sitting on a chair. My legs swelled up. I broke out with skin rashes. My digestive system was messed up. I had brain fog. At one point, I even had a fever that lasted 5 or 6 days. And much more.

During a roughly four-month time frame, I saw eight different types of doctors and had many tests, including two different stress tests from two different cardiologists and an echocardiogram. Close to a hundred blood tests, etc. I saw a neurologist, rheumatologist, urologist, dermatologist, and a couple of others.

After it was all said and done, they said I was in perfect health, although my legs were swollen-Lol

After about six months, all the systems went away on their own.

After spending hundreds of hours researching, it seemed I had many systems of radiation poisoning.

I believe I was hit with 5G

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JLK's avatar

I have heard the same - symptoms that mimic radiation poisoning. I believe that ANY possible evil can be perpetrated by our 'caring' government. Sprinkle some toxins here, drop some radioactive particles there..... voila! A 'pandemic' is created. Throw in fake testing and the madness begins.

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Oriorda's avatar

You ask a question which assumes there is a single, isolated cause for your condition. 'What did I have?' you ask. The human body is a complex organism, designed over hundreds of thousands of years to exist in symbiosis with bacteria, environmental conditions, on a variety of diets, under a range of stresses. Compounding the complexity is the fact the human body contains MORE bacteria than its own cells! The interactions between these and other factors are bewildering in their number and complexity and acting over many timescales. Some environments will kill you in minutes, like plunging into the Arctic. Some will take hours, like exposure to extreme heat. Some will take months, like omitting Vitamin C. Some will cause lingering symptoms, like cold, damp weather. There is evidence of entire civilizations disappearing when their societies experienced some extreme stress, like the sudden realization their 'gods' which had protected them from harm for thousands of years are seen to be false. We simply do not know in many, many cases what causes a specific condition. Pharma would have you believe in their model of 'one disease = one cause (a virus) = one cure (a vaccine)'. Of course they would! It's a self perpetuating profit model because, of course, that pesky virus is a clever bugger which constantly alters itself, requiring a new vaccine. And of course, this virus can leap from person to person and can't be stopped... so everyone needs to take their shot. This model would be credible if someone, somewhere, at any time had shown there to be an entity capable of self-replication and capable of infecting healthy cells through natural channels and causing them to be damaged or die. Nobody has. Zilch. The model is nonsense, serving Pharma's bottom line. We need to free ourselves from its grip and look for the true causes of disease.

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NotAMushroom's avatar

Dr. Yeadon, David Martin seems to have gotten the message. His latest talk in Switzerland concurs with your information, which BTW, is what I’ve been telling people since Day One as well. Medical school Immunology and Virology 101.

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Rita Skeeter's avatar

I think it was a novel virus because it was tweaked in a wuhan lab to synthesize a virus not found in nature.

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Essy Harris's avatar

Or that was a lie and they couldn’t get the poison in, so they put it in the vaccine. Remember, nobody got a sample of the virus it was a

Computer model

Pass around.

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Baldmichael's avatar

Indeed, scare people with a lie and they rush for the toxic jabs.

https://baldmichael.substack.com/p/wuhan-flu?utm_source=publication-search

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Rita Skeeter's avatar

I am going on the investigative journalism of Jim Haslam; he delves deep in his book on covid, lots of unearthing.

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Essy Harris's avatar

Just remember in your quest that there are underlying layers of disease. From what I have read, deficiency can cause disease as well as coming in contact with a poison and they can work together to sicken you. Look at sickness in schools and workplace new germs can work to sicken people and often get the virus diagnosis where it could be the not so obvious. Such as something in the building.

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Baldmichael's avatar

Sick building syndrome is a thing, as a retired builing surveyor I am familiar with the issues in broad terms. Workplaces and schools use toxic chemcials in cleaning for a start plus all the plastic finishes etc.

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Rita Skeeter's avatar

There is the terrain plus the exciting cause, the terrain includes genetic inheritance. Regardless, if a virus is manipulated to increase its infectivity or virulence, most who come in contact with it will be harmed. GOF research is lethal and should be banned.

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Tobin Owl's avatar

The only tweaking was done via computer on an artificially constructed hypothetical in silico genome arbitrarily selected by researchers who did not employ scientific method and isolated no particles

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Rita Skeeter's avatar

I think molecular modeling is an amazing predictive tech. The virus though has been isolated from urine, ocular secretions, in lots of labs all over the world, maybe they are all lying I don't know. I believe chickenpox is a virus, herpes is a virus, HIV is a virus, and if you don't, I won't be able to convince you otherwise. Everyone I knew who died from AIDS also had a positive test for HIV. That was no coincidence. I think Koch's postulates are a moot point to use to prove a virus exists. Viruses have been grown in culture and also their DNA can be recreated from the genome, and the structures can be seen under EM's. Also, kids who go to chickenpox parties and develop the exact symptoms of their friends, experienced contagion, it is cognitive dissonance to deny that.

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Essy Harris's avatar

So funny. Personally know people who have been to sex parties and have and have not gotten the circulating STD. I know people who are around no one yet get respiratory symptoms. And dont they usually go by symptoms to see if u have a virus. Just a name for a pathogens with no name. I think most of the research can easily slip into unfounded categories.

HIV is that really a virus or a host of diseases with a resistance to anti biotics come about from overuse of meds?

This isnt the only person to cast doubt on virus. Just think how colds and allergies present themselves and how hard it is to tell diff, if there is one.

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Rita Skeeter's avatar

There are allergy tests to see if someone is sensitive to something in food or the environment. A cold usually subsides after a couple of weeks; allergies can go on for months. Allergies far more commonly present with itchy eyes, very rare for a cold. A subgroup of people who don't possess either one or both of the surface cell receptors HIV needs to penetrate a cell, means they don't manifest symptoms. Susceptibility matters, some people could walk through the black plague unharmed. Since the '80's HIV has been very well studied, tons of peer reviewed studies on its mechanism of action. Antibiotics don't affect viruses only bacteria. Most people who die of HIV in the world are female and reside in poverty-stricken areas where they have little access to routine western drugs.

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Essy Harris's avatar

An allergy turns into a cold if not treated promptly. Ace 2 receptors are affected by pathogens and used by dr to get meds in. Do you think HIV has been well studied, or well led to be believed. The wuhan virus was “studied by the lab but no one was sent a sample- too dangerous. Only protocols, the testing kits made by the chem companies. Nobody studying a real sample. The computer model was sent. Abbott’s testing is not good. Cause nothing matching “virus found. How about the cruise ships carrying it and it being found months later. Try removing oil based paint with water. They dont call it poison ivy for nothing. A better term is poison to carbon based life.

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Rita Skeeter's avatar

There are so many peer-reviewed papers on HIV, worth looking into, as they are very informative.

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Anthony's avatar

Back when all those people were dying from AIDS, the “test" the government and Fauci pushed out to the public to test for HIV was the PCR test.

The inventor of the PCR, Dr. Kary Mullis, went after Fauci and said that the PCR cannot diagnose anything and is not a diagnostic tool. He should know he won the Nobel Prize for his invention.

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Rita Skeeter's avatar

So, what did the PCR test do that Mullis invented? 'Substances such as heparin, a common anticoagulant, can inhibit the enzymes crucial for RNA amplification. Laboratories often employ purification techniques to remove these inhibitors, thus enhancing test accuracy. The choice of primers also plays a role, as mismatches can result in non-specific amplification, potentially leading to false positives. Continuous refinement of primer design is therefore crucial to improving test specificity. Technological advancements in PCR instrumentation further contribute to accuracy. Modern PCR machines offer enhanced sensitivity and precision, reducing the likelihood of errors. Calibration and maintenance of equipment are vital to ensure consistent performance. Additionally, the expertise of laboratory personnel in executing and interpreting tests is pivotal.' Biology Insights Team Published Oct 17, 2024

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Anthony's avatar

With the assistance of AI, “they” are constantly scrubbing the internet, and although they have done a good job scrubbing most of Dr. Kary Mullis’s modern videos from 2010 to 2019, (specifically) the ones where he is pointing out the manipulation of his Nobel Peace invention, and his constant criticism of Fauci and the corrupt establishment. Since COVID, I have seen the recent videos attempting to prove you can use PCR for diagnostics. Once again, if Dr. Mullis were alive, he would be calling them out, like he was prior to his death.

Of course, he unexpectedly passed away in the middle of 2019

After spending thirty minutes using BRAVE, I found this old one from back in the AIDS days. I have the original full-length somewhere in my thousands of hours of research, but I didn’t file it properly. When I have time, I will look for it. In the meantime, here is a 3-4 minute clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWOJKuSKw5c&t=86s

In the full-length video, Dr. Mullis explains why you cannot use PCR to test for HIV or any virus. He straight out says the PCR is not for diagnosis of infectious disease.

Here is another 2-minute clip from 1996 of him talking about Fuaci.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aISPlTLbJo

You can still find the full-length interview. Back then, Dr. Mullis was publicly going after Fauci and the NIH for using the PCR to prove the existence of HIV in a human.

Dr. Kary Mullis was not only a brilliant man but deeply cared about humanity.

Blessings!

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Tobin Owl's avatar

Perhaps you aren't aware that when virologists say they've "isolated" a virus it doesn't mean what regular people think that means. As for the EM photos, they are photos of indistinct particles that could be any number of things and they are not separated from the rest of whatever gunk they are analysing. They can properly be called extracellular vesicles of unknown origin and character.

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Rita Skeeter's avatar

I read the link. However, the crystalline nature of viruses can easily be identified with EM. Pithovirus is the size of a small bacterium found in Siberian permafrost so, no problem seeing clearly its architecture there. You still have not explained the phenomenon of children exhibiting symptoms of chickenpox after attending a party, where one child already had the symptoms? To say that is not contagion, is denial.

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Tobin Owl's avatar

So you are equating alleged contagion with viruses?

I do not claim to have a pat answer for everything, but i agree with Yeadon that virology is fraudulent, or at best unscientific.

In science you have a hypothesis and then check it with well designed, controlled experiments. Virology's experiments are neither well designed nor transparent nor include adequate and valid controls. Therefore they are unscientific.

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Snooze's avatar

There is something real that the doctors have been fighting, the good ones who see the truth, that this is a controlled demolition. So whether we call it a virus or a bioweapon, Kory and the crew are now connected worldwide through the FLCCC and the WCH, and American Frontline doctors saving lives and spreading the truth. Arguing over nomenclature can wait until peace breaks out. Opening eyes is the challenge.

Unfortunately it will take an even worse threat to break the hypnosis. Short of grabbing our oblivious companions by the throat and shaking them, I’m unsure of the best way forward. We’re all in this together. Let’s not be divided.

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NotAMushroom's avatar

Spikeopathy. Self-spreading bioweapon. Jabbed shed tri-spikes onto the UN-jabbed. The jabbed are mostly doomed and the UN-jabbed are very sick. Spikeopathy.

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Kelly Em's avatar

Susan, when I became sick in late Feb 2020, it was not like being sick in any way i had before. My lungs and O2 were affected, headache, loss of smell. But it was more like being poisoned than it was anything like a microorganism. Long ago, I was exposed to muratic acid during a traffic accident at 19, and the effects there and here were chemical rather than a critter.

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Essy Harris's avatar

Breathed in something poisoned. Before the pandemic I received a fb post from a friend living near a nat. Guard base located near airport. The poster’s friend told her that their tsk for the night was flying over our town spraying something they were no told what it was. Why wouldnt they tell you if it was insect spray….

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Heather H's avatar

David Martin is well aware there was no pandemic. He believes they made the virus. There was definitely a virus. I had it. I had a headache and weird electric shocks running down my legs a couple nights, difficulty sleeping, brain fog then list smell....completely for about 2 weeks. If it wasn't Covid what was it??

I do agree It should be called a pandemic with or without a virus it was planned and if we had done nothing we would have had far fewer deaths. Most deaths occurred from hospital protocols!!! That's why Rancourt's analysis looks the way it does. They created fear, people got sick then ran to the hospital where they were killed.

I do agree they should stop using their words for everything. There was a pandemic in which they unleashed a bioweapon and then used a gene therapy-based countermeasure.

They are making rounds using things Malone & Kirsch did in the past to make them appear to be controlled opposition. I can't think of anything more ridiculous! They are like metals that have been red-pilled. I have followed Malone since April 2020. I've watched him wake up. He was clueless at first. They were just sucked in to the propaganda like half the country. That does not make them controlled op. It's ridiculous!

Thanks for all you do!!

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A T's avatar

That is definitely the way to handle it Dr. Yeadon, very well done! Professional, cordial, and to the point without any accusations, respectful. You are truly a gentleman and a scholar.

Dr. Malone is certainly one of the early whistleblowers and because of his position and knowledge was a major threat to the dark stakeholders. I fear he is being strongly manhandled. No doubt he would like to be just left alone on his ranch. Look what they have done to all of the other whistleblowers. I pray that he will get the support and protection to speak truth as he must.

Prayers for you and for Dr. Malone and all who are determined to stand and fight on the side of God against Satan and all his minions, human and other. Jesus has already won the battle for all who call on his name. We certainly have the victory in God, 'God wins', but it is a terrible and horrific war with so very many innocent casualties.

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Eugene's avatar

Received.

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Dave Payette's avatar

Just checking back:

It seems some 6 weeks have passed since Mike Yeadon magnanimously wrote this perfectly reasonable open letter. Has there been any response from Dr. Malone? If not, does this not tell us all we need to know about him?

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Lucy's avatar

Yes it does. I realized this quite some time ago before Yeadon wrote this letter. Now I have no doubt.

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The Miner's avatar

I can attest to the testing and development of clostridium botulinum for nefarious uses.

I was vaccinated for some time during the years of 1962-64 so that I could work on a project for a government entity for purposes which I was not “involved” in nor would I know where I was to go and who I was, for I had no ID

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Vic LePanto's avatar

Both things can be true. There can be an engineered virus and a diabolical plan to poison the populace.

What caused people to get a respiratory illness with high fever, fatigue and loss of taste and smell well before the jab ever rolled out? I know many who got those symptoms, between March and November, 2020. There was no jab then.

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Jan's avatar

EMF intoxication?

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Question Everything's avatar

With all due respect to you, your anecdotal summary doesn't prove anything....

You have to have an "IT" first to be able to say its pathogenic. The scientific method, Koch's postulates OR Rivers postulates have not been met here.

Have you looked into the arguments as to why there is no such thing as COVID-19 or SARS-COV2?

Keep in mind that NO ONE is saying people don't get sick. No one is denying that. What we are saying is the CAUSE is being blamed on a unicorn. And if you don't know the cause, you can't possibly make inferences on solutions, remedies or cures. Regardless if Zelenko's cocktail "worked". WE are arguing that it only gave the illusion of "working" - the same way toxic pharmaceuticals do. It just puts a bandaid over the symptoms. Its just adding more compounds for the body to now divert its energy to try to breakdown.

Symptoms are a detox process. A sign of healing. Once symptoms present, it means you're getting better. If you fill up the body with more junk (that it doesn't need - and I know you're thinking thats ridiculous, everyone needs vitamins... more on that later), now the body must CEASE the detox process and STOP healing because it needs to address the junk you just put in. Thus.... masking symptoms or giving the illusion that its "working".

Now back to vitamins.

Synthetic vitamins - aka supplements - are not necessarily good for you. The BEST vitamins are through food & sunshine. Nutrients should come from your water too - over filtering your water is just as bad.

How do scientists "isolate" a vitamin? Similar to how they "isolate" a "virus". The link i had bookmarked isnt working right now but I highly recommend you look into this. Humanely.com talks about this quite a bit. Will try to find some other links.

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koppykat's avatar

well said mate, thankyou

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margie's avatar

"This proves that there was some type of pathogen, over and beyond a cold or virus, or other pathogen" That's your opinion.

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Structured Chaos's avatar

It seems to be his opinion. But Zelenko's protocols in fact treats colds and respiratory viruses of all types. See the underlying mechanism of action in this regard. Further, if you recall, as relates to respiratory viruses of all types, all of the sudden, antibiotics were being limited in terms of supply and use by the government and by extension medical providers. Indeed, if the condition was deemed covid the use of traditional treatments including antibiotics was specifically not recommended. Hence the pathogen which was beyond a virus/pathogen was actually an old pathogen(s) not being treated properly. Zelenko provided another way to treat such pathogens which should have been in place long before Zelenko.

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Question Everything's avatar

Viruses have never been shown to exist. So his protocol isn't treating a so-called "virus".

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Neither did yours 🙄 did you even read the first few things I said? Have you even read the papers claiming to have isolated a virus? Have you actually looked into the arguments being made on BOTH sides? Are you familiar with the over 200+ FOIA requests from governments & health institutions all over the world admitting that they did not actually have an isolated & purified virus? Have you read the CDC PCR protocol paper that also states they had no purified isolate but that they designed this protocol based on assumption? Have you seen that one of the primers being used to identify a "positive" is literally identical to human chromosome 8? Are you familiar with the scientific method? That it REQUIRES a control in every experiment, yet NOT A SINGLE paper that discusses isolation EVER uses a control?

Are you familiar with Dr Lanka's work? He proved in the highest court in Germany that measles does not have sufficient evidence to prove its existence. He also ran the required controls that virologists conveniently ignore and proved that the so-called cytopathic effect that is observed (and thus used to "prove" the existence of a virus) is a product of the conditions of the experiment and NOT caused by a virus.

https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/fois-reveal-that-health-science-institutions-around-the-world-have-no-record-of-sars-cov-2-isolation-purification/

https://andrewkaufmanmd.com/sovi/

https://snooze2awaken.com/2022/01/11/if-everyone-understood-the-implications-of-this-revolutionary-experiment-the-whole-covid-charade-would-end/

https://northerntracey213875959.wordpress.com/2020/11/26/measles-virus-there-is-no-proof-of-a-measles-virus-says-court/

https://northerntracey213875959.wordpress.com/2021/05/07/the-germ-theory-an-idiots-guide/

I also highly recommend looking into the brilliant work of Harold Hillman who explains the issues with EM imaging. All based on assumptions and not based on anything that would occur in the natural world (much like most of the sCiEnCe™️ these days)

https://big-lies.org/harold-hillman-biology/index.html

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Stephen Due's avatar

Malone started out by amplifying a 'tip-off' from his friend Michael Callahan, a CIA agent in China. That raises questions to begin with. I have long been a sceptic about the lab leak theory, which looks suspiciously like a sophisticated exercise in deception.

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