Something's making people sick. I didn't imagine my symptoms in January 2020. My wife is a high school English teacher. One day when I was at home sick in bed, she came home and told me about half of her students were absent due to illness. So my conclusion was that whatever made me sick (and my kindergarten son, and 2nd-grade daughter) …
Something's making people sick. I didn't imagine my symptoms in January 2020. My wife is a high school English teacher. One day when I was at home sick in bed, she came home and told me about half of her students were absent due to illness. So my conclusion was that whatever made me sick (and my kindergarten son, and 2nd-grade daughter) was also probably making half of my wife's high school students sick as well.
That's why I think the word "contagious" actually fits the circumstances in Troy, Alabama in December 2019 and January 2020.
I live in Southeast Alabama. According to the Alabama Department of Public Health's weekly "ILI Surveillance Reports," nearly 13 percent of doctor and hospital visits the week I was sick were for "influenza like illness." The baseline (recent) percentage was 2.6 percent. That's five times higher than the baseline. I also know that probably the majority of people who feel sick don't bother going to the doctor because they know there's nothing a doctor can do for them. They just "ride it out." So there were far more people sick than those ILI reports tell us.
What stands out to me (and apparently only me) is that the CDC and ADPH obviously knew that ILI was spiking in states and communities across America. It never occurred to any of these ILI experts that Covid could have already been circulating throughout the population?
(ILI percentages in Georgia were more than 13 percent in late December 2019. That would include Atlanta, where the CDC is located. I maintain hundreds if not thousands of CDC employees probably had Covid in the months and weeks before Covid was supposed to be in America. I actually asked a CDC media staffer if this was the case. He didn't reply to my emailed question).
There was something "going around" here in Sacramento County, California, in November-December 2019. It laid me out for a week, and I needed weeks before I could return to my routine. It also led to additional hearing loss in my right ear from which I never did recover.
I belonged to a large church choir at the time, and this thing was "running through the choir". This is something that happens sometimes, especially with large-to-medium sized choirs. I'm acutely aware of that at the moment because I belong to a medium sized-choir now, and I came down with something two days after Easter. It's showing no signs of letting up. During "covid", when choirs became deathly afraid of meeting and singing, I went two years without coming down with anything, a record!
It is obvious that certain illness do spread. We can argue about the mechanisms, but to claim otherwise would seem to serve to promote cognitive dissonance. The "no virus" adherents that I follow don't go quite that far. I'm interested in what they have to contribute, but I'm not building a new belief system around it just yet.
I doubt that anybody who thinks they have it all figured out really does. It's a very complex problem, due to the poisoning effects brought on by science and technology interfering with health, in the name of improving it. For example, the vast array of "over the counter" medications we have to choose from now for "fast symptomatic relief" have the potential to interfere with recovery, and even to make us more susceptible to illness in the future. More importantly, there is the problem of industrial "food-like substances" replacing actual food thanks to the lure of "cheap and convenient", as if terrible degenerative diseases were somehow convenient.
We live in a sea of poisons, and a great many people have been conditioned to drink and eat freely therefrom. This has everything to do with our collective state of health, and it is not an easy thing to sort out!
You are not alone if you're in the group that wonders if you might have had "early Covid" in November and December 2019.
This is the longest story I've ever posted on Substack. It's simply a sample of posts I saved from people who make the same type report as you - they think they might have had early Covid ... and they give their reasons why they think this.
This article would only be for those who think "anecdotal evidence" might matter. IMO if there's enough of it, it should matter.
The thought has certainly crossed my mind. And a couple of weeks before I came down ill I attended a small conference (~80 people) that included international travelers from all over. But that's a long incubation time, and it's speculation. That doesn't negate it, but it doesn't prove anything either.
The choir thing, however, is a well-known phenomenon, at least among some choir members. It may depend on the size of the choir.
One thing is clear to me. Underlying the poison found everywhere is scientific deception, also found everywhere, and driving -- intentionally -- the destruction of society.
What happens in choirs also happens in schools and on ships. It happens in families and at workplaces. If a large percentage of people in one group all get sick at roughly the same time with the same symptoms, certain conclusions can be plausibly made.
Clear Middle, yours is the best, most comprehensive response I've yet read, addressing the virus question. I salute your rational, open-ended thinking!
Just my hunch, but I would be interested to know how many of the choir’s members, or any other similar groups, that appear to have shared and spread the sickness amongst themselves had been getting the flu shots prior to coming down ill. Im 72 and have been rejecting the flu shots for ever, in spite of the relentlessly increasing cajoling of the doctors and I seldom get sick, and when I do it is usually in June/July well off the flu season? Who knows?
Probably quite a few of the older ones, because their doctors push flu shots (among others) on them and oh do most of them trust their doctors. We were up around 70-80 people in that choir at that time (pre-Christmas 2019), so I imagine quite a few had gotten their shots as instructed.
I'm 73 (69 at that time) and I haven't had a flu shot in over 20 years. I did get one or two after experiencing full-out flu in 2000, at 49 years old. Something told me to quit doing that, though, you know, like thinking about how the human race had managed to survive this long without any kind of shots, until relatively recently. And I knew a little then about 19th-century vaccine scams. I know a lot more about 20th and 21st-century vaccine scams now.
This thing I had in 2019 was similar to the 2000 bout for the first week -- in bed for a week (and I was not retired at the time), but in 2000 I recovered over the following week, where the recovery stretched out over multiple weeks in 2019 (I lost count), mostly due to fatigue. Some of it could be aging, but I am quite careful about what I put in my mouth and I don't think it is food.
Something occurred to me earlier today, between naps as I recover from this bout of ILI (day 3). That church I was with in 2019 (2017-2020 altogether) went crazy over "covid" once they had the official story from their trusted authorities. I made the mistake of warning them that there was a lot of lying going on among the authorities.
In the earlier years, from 2017, I occasionally talked to people about food, and the difference between that and industrial food-like products. These included people that were obviously in bad shape due to what they were eating. I know that because I could see some of what they ate as they ate it, and what it had done to them. My favorite was the diabetics that would arrive at potlucks, go straight to the dessert table and select their sugar fix (to eat at the end), and bring it back to their place first, so that they would be sure to get some. After all, their doctors were telling them "just increase your insulin". What could go wrong with that?
My experience from doing that was that I encountered a few other people that were aware of the situation, and were taking care of themselves. With the rest, it was like a preview of the upcoming Covid Cult. There was no way to get through. They were hooked.
I had observed the same problem in two former churches, so there was nothing particularly unusual about it. I wonder now, though, if those particular eat-anything eaters didn't later form the nucleus of the covid cult at each of those churches.
I'm curious about this. If I can ever manage to re-establish contact with any of the people I knew in those places, I would like to hear their side of the story. I would like to try to understand. To try to change their minds, though, is not in my plans, unless they reach out.
Same here, I don’t try to change minds about diet or jabs or pcr testing anymore. From what I can tell, the majority of folks getting covid are vaccinated. If you don’t want to get covid then don’t get tested for it.
It's important to distinguish between effects (symptoms) and alleged causes. No one is disputing the existence of symptoms. It's the alleged cause that has never been demonstrated, for any alleged "virus". Fortunately the problems with virology are not complex, they're actually quite simple.
Can’t argue that something made you and others sick. For the little that it’s worth, I am convinced that it wasn’t a virus. Lots of things convinced me it wasn’t a virus, but the single most important of these reasons is axiomatic in my mind:
I agree with that, Charles ... but from a different perspective. The government definitively said there was no community spread in America before mid-February 2020. Since they said that as a fact, I know it must be a lie. Plus, I have a lot more evidence than ILI reports. The antibody evidence is copious. But the biggest red flag is the fact the government won't investigate possible early cases.
I’m uncontrollably sliding down the scale of positivity anymore. I passed cynicism along time ago and recently passed by the pure and utter contempt signpost. Not healthy, but it makes for a quicker situational analysis these days and is unfortunately usually pretty accurate.
I just cross-posted an article from Transcriber B (about whistleblower Lt. Col. Theresa Long, MD). I guess you didn't get that either? I cross-posted it 3+ hours ago and, so far, my metrics show nobody has received it or read it.
Of course you have hit on the core of the problem in healthcare. Because we have been so thoroughly conditioned to believe every illness must have a causal pathogen that is external to the body; i.e., germ theory, we absolutely never try to determine the true causes of illnesses; we simply don't know because we don't try to find out. We have learned much more about how our water, food and the air we breathe is being poisoned continuously, but we don't do any research to find out if any or all of these poisons is/are making us sick. Perhaps, given the iron fist of allopathic control of medicine, we never will discover the truth.
I'm all for contrarian research that might tell us why we get sick. Also, why do so many people who are in close contact with one another often get sick at the exact same time? It's not just households, it's people in entire schools or throughout a community.
Precisely! Isn't our first reaction to blame some external pathogen, like a virus that doesn't exist, because we've been taught to think that way? Once we come to the conclusion, we look no further. What if (and I'm going out on a limb here, I know), people in the same room became exposed to new carpet fibers that weren't there before, or some malfunction in the air filtration system that spewed chemicals or some other toxins; what if a community all became ill after crop spraying nearby or a change in the wind caused fumes or other toxic smoke to drift over the whole community, etc.? We don't know, because we don't look. There could be any number of things causing respiratory illnesses, but we nearly always attribute illness to some external pathogen, when the answer may not be that simple. But for big pharma, that is exactly the conclusion they want us to come to, because it sells medicines we don't need and that often make us more ill. The one single piece of information that I am so glad to have learned as a result of the covid is that the "science" of virology is a complete sham. (Sorry for rambling.)
I'm all for looking into those possibilities. The carpet fiber scenario doesn't make much sense to me, because the same people tend to get sick at the same periods of time every year (roughly December through February). Why wouldn't those fibers make them sick in May or October?
People have come down with flu symptoms for ages, before there was carpet or cell phone towers.
Okay, you sawed off the limb I was climbing out on, but I knew it could happen. You're right, something like that does need investigating so we can answer your questions, and mine. But no one looks for alternative explanations - that's the point I was driving at. Thanks for taking time.
I have become a much bigger believer in the importance of Vitamin D and changes in temperatures and sunlight having something/much to do with seasonal "bugs."
If that's true, the guidance that everyone stay inside was 100-percent backwards. Ron Paul, a doctor, said that early on in Covid.
I personally was sick in March 2020...for two days cause I took tamiflu....but I suspect it was just a new influenza strain that because of 5g or lack of vit d...people tend to get up here in the winter.
Never occurred to me it might have been covid...there weren't any cases where I am....I think the only case was supposedly in oregon?
Don't know..but I tend to think there cannot be an engineered RNA virus that can go around the world. No one I know was sick after March 2020....
I often highlight the observation that I didn't know anyone who was sick with flu-like symptoms after mid-March 2020. However, where I live (south Alabama) it seems like 30 percent of our town had those symptoms in December, January and early February.
I know this was common all over the country because I wrote a 10,000-word article that simply listed people saying they had these symptoms in this time span. Before that I wrote a long story, with scores of links to newspaper, magazine and Internet articles talking about the bad (and early) "flu outbreaks." (One of my quotes was from Dr. Fauci, talking about the really bad flu season - in early January 2020).
Then I wrote another story that listed 120 school systems or schools in 17 states that shut down because of rampant illnesses among students and faculty.
I threw in about 20 ILI Weekly Surveillance Reports from about 10 different states that said ILI was "severe" and "widespread" in at least 47 U.S. states.
My husband and I got the illness that "didn't exist" in Jan 2020 as well. I had lingering effects like uncontrollable cold chills coming from nowhere and bouts of extreme fatigue. I've never had a flu or cold that left me with lingering symptoms and I'm pushing 61 turns around the planet now.
I keep hearing or reading testimonials like yours - that this illness was somehow different than previous bouts with the flu or other bugs. That resonates with me.
Something's making people sick. I didn't imagine my symptoms in January 2020. My wife is a high school English teacher. One day when I was at home sick in bed, she came home and told me about half of her students were absent due to illness. So my conclusion was that whatever made me sick (and my kindergarten son, and 2nd-grade daughter) was also probably making half of my wife's high school students sick as well.
That's why I think the word "contagious" actually fits the circumstances in Troy, Alabama in December 2019 and January 2020.
I live in Southeast Alabama. According to the Alabama Department of Public Health's weekly "ILI Surveillance Reports," nearly 13 percent of doctor and hospital visits the week I was sick were for "influenza like illness." The baseline (recent) percentage was 2.6 percent. That's five times higher than the baseline. I also know that probably the majority of people who feel sick don't bother going to the doctor because they know there's nothing a doctor can do for them. They just "ride it out." So there were far more people sick than those ILI reports tell us.
What stands out to me (and apparently only me) is that the CDC and ADPH obviously knew that ILI was spiking in states and communities across America. It never occurred to any of these ILI experts that Covid could have already been circulating throughout the population?
(ILI percentages in Georgia were more than 13 percent in late December 2019. That would include Atlanta, where the CDC is located. I maintain hundreds if not thousands of CDC employees probably had Covid in the months and weeks before Covid was supposed to be in America. I actually asked a CDC media staffer if this was the case. He didn't reply to my emailed question).
And for some reason..it was non a non B. A friend of mine got flu in feb...and that's what her test came back.
Seems like it was poison. The CDC couldn't acknowledge it as 'Covid' because the show hadn't started yet.
There was something "going around" here in Sacramento County, California, in November-December 2019. It laid me out for a week, and I needed weeks before I could return to my routine. It also led to additional hearing loss in my right ear from which I never did recover.
I belonged to a large church choir at the time, and this thing was "running through the choir". This is something that happens sometimes, especially with large-to-medium sized choirs. I'm acutely aware of that at the moment because I belong to a medium sized-choir now, and I came down with something two days after Easter. It's showing no signs of letting up. During "covid", when choirs became deathly afraid of meeting and singing, I went two years without coming down with anything, a record!
It is obvious that certain illness do spread. We can argue about the mechanisms, but to claim otherwise would seem to serve to promote cognitive dissonance. The "no virus" adherents that I follow don't go quite that far. I'm interested in what they have to contribute, but I'm not building a new belief system around it just yet.
I doubt that anybody who thinks they have it all figured out really does. It's a very complex problem, due to the poisoning effects brought on by science and technology interfering with health, in the name of improving it. For example, the vast array of "over the counter" medications we have to choose from now for "fast symptomatic relief" have the potential to interfere with recovery, and even to make us more susceptible to illness in the future. More importantly, there is the problem of industrial "food-like substances" replacing actual food thanks to the lure of "cheap and convenient", as if terrible degenerative diseases were somehow convenient.
We live in a sea of poisons, and a great many people have been conditioned to drink and eat freely therefrom. This has everything to do with our collective state of health, and it is not an easy thing to sort out!
You are not alone if you're in the group that wonders if you might have had "early Covid" in November and December 2019.
This is the longest story I've ever posted on Substack. It's simply a sample of posts I saved from people who make the same type report as you - they think they might have had early Covid ... and they give their reasons why they think this.
This article would only be for those who think "anecdotal evidence" might matter. IMO if there's enough of it, it should matter.
https://billricejr.substack.com/p/no-ones-published-an-article-like?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
The thought has certainly crossed my mind. And a couple of weeks before I came down ill I attended a small conference (~80 people) that included international travelers from all over. But that's a long incubation time, and it's speculation. That doesn't negate it, but it doesn't prove anything either.
The choir thing, however, is a well-known phenomenon, at least among some choir members. It may depend on the size of the choir.
One thing is clear to me. Underlying the poison found everywhere is scientific deception, also found everywhere, and driving -- intentionally -- the destruction of society.
What happens in choirs also happens in schools and on ships. It happens in families and at workplaces. If a large percentage of people in one group all get sick at roughly the same time with the same symptoms, certain conclusions can be plausibly made.
Wow Bil. If you keep looking you may discover that people have become sick even prior to November and December 2019. Please keep us posted.
I was going to say something to Bill, I don't have to now. Thanks Charles. I'm sure Bill is a good guy, so wont pile on.
Clear Middle, yours is the best, most comprehensive response I've yet read, addressing the virus question. I salute your rational, open-ended thinking!
Well said.
Just my hunch, but I would be interested to know how many of the choir’s members, or any other similar groups, that appear to have shared and spread the sickness amongst themselves had been getting the flu shots prior to coming down ill. Im 72 and have been rejecting the flu shots for ever, in spite of the relentlessly increasing cajoling of the doctors and I seldom get sick, and when I do it is usually in June/July well off the flu season? Who knows?
Probably quite a few of the older ones, because their doctors push flu shots (among others) on them and oh do most of them trust their doctors. We were up around 70-80 people in that choir at that time (pre-Christmas 2019), so I imagine quite a few had gotten their shots as instructed.
I'm 73 (69 at that time) and I haven't had a flu shot in over 20 years. I did get one or two after experiencing full-out flu in 2000, at 49 years old. Something told me to quit doing that, though, you know, like thinking about how the human race had managed to survive this long without any kind of shots, until relatively recently. And I knew a little then about 19th-century vaccine scams. I know a lot more about 20th and 21st-century vaccine scams now.
This thing I had in 2019 was similar to the 2000 bout for the first week -- in bed for a week (and I was not retired at the time), but in 2000 I recovered over the following week, where the recovery stretched out over multiple weeks in 2019 (I lost count), mostly due to fatigue. Some of it could be aging, but I am quite careful about what I put in my mouth and I don't think it is food.
Something occurred to me earlier today, between naps as I recover from this bout of ILI (day 3). That church I was with in 2019 (2017-2020 altogether) went crazy over "covid" once they had the official story from their trusted authorities. I made the mistake of warning them that there was a lot of lying going on among the authorities.
In the earlier years, from 2017, I occasionally talked to people about food, and the difference between that and industrial food-like products. These included people that were obviously in bad shape due to what they were eating. I know that because I could see some of what they ate as they ate it, and what it had done to them. My favorite was the diabetics that would arrive at potlucks, go straight to the dessert table and select their sugar fix (to eat at the end), and bring it back to their place first, so that they would be sure to get some. After all, their doctors were telling them "just increase your insulin". What could go wrong with that?
My experience from doing that was that I encountered a few other people that were aware of the situation, and were taking care of themselves. With the rest, it was like a preview of the upcoming Covid Cult. There was no way to get through. They were hooked.
I had observed the same problem in two former churches, so there was nothing particularly unusual about it. I wonder now, though, if those particular eat-anything eaters didn't later form the nucleus of the covid cult at each of those churches.
I'm curious about this. If I can ever manage to re-establish contact with any of the people I knew in those places, I would like to hear their side of the story. I would like to try to understand. To try to change their minds, though, is not in my plans, unless they reach out.
Same here, I don’t try to change minds about diet or jabs or pcr testing anymore. From what I can tell, the majority of folks getting covid are vaccinated. If you don’t want to get covid then don’t get tested for it.
It's important to distinguish between effects (symptoms) and alleged causes. No one is disputing the existence of symptoms. It's the alleged cause that has never been demonstrated, for any alleged "virus". Fortunately the problems with virology are not complex, they're actually quite simple.
Can’t argue that something made you and others sick. For the little that it’s worth, I am convinced that it wasn’t a virus. Lots of things convinced me it wasn’t a virus, but the single most important of these reasons is axiomatic in my mind:
If the government says it’s true, it’s a lie.
I agree with that, Charles ... but from a different perspective. The government definitively said there was no community spread in America before mid-February 2020. Since they said that as a fact, I know it must be a lie. Plus, I have a lot more evidence than ILI reports. The antibody evidence is copious. But the biggest red flag is the fact the government won't investigate possible early cases.
I’m uncontrollably sliding down the scale of positivity anymore. I passed cynicism along time ago and recently passed by the pure and utter contempt signpost. Not healthy, but it makes for a quicker situational analysis these days and is unfortunately usually pretty accurate.
PS: still not getting notifications
I just cross-posted an article from Transcriber B (about whistleblower Lt. Col. Theresa Long, MD). I guess you didn't get that either? I cross-posted it 3+ hours ago and, so far, my metrics show nobody has received it or read it.
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Man. What should I do? I appreciate you letting me know this.
Of course you have hit on the core of the problem in healthcare. Because we have been so thoroughly conditioned to believe every illness must have a causal pathogen that is external to the body; i.e., germ theory, we absolutely never try to determine the true causes of illnesses; we simply don't know because we don't try to find out. We have learned much more about how our water, food and the air we breathe is being poisoned continuously, but we don't do any research to find out if any or all of these poisons is/are making us sick. Perhaps, given the iron fist of allopathic control of medicine, we never will discover the truth.
I'm all for contrarian research that might tell us why we get sick. Also, why do so many people who are in close contact with one another often get sick at the exact same time? It's not just households, it's people in entire schools or throughout a community.
Precisely! Isn't our first reaction to blame some external pathogen, like a virus that doesn't exist, because we've been taught to think that way? Once we come to the conclusion, we look no further. What if (and I'm going out on a limb here, I know), people in the same room became exposed to new carpet fibers that weren't there before, or some malfunction in the air filtration system that spewed chemicals or some other toxins; what if a community all became ill after crop spraying nearby or a change in the wind caused fumes or other toxic smoke to drift over the whole community, etc.? We don't know, because we don't look. There could be any number of things causing respiratory illnesses, but we nearly always attribute illness to some external pathogen, when the answer may not be that simple. But for big pharma, that is exactly the conclusion they want us to come to, because it sells medicines we don't need and that often make us more ill. The one single piece of information that I am so glad to have learned as a result of the covid is that the "science" of virology is a complete sham. (Sorry for rambling.)
I'm all for looking into those possibilities. The carpet fiber scenario doesn't make much sense to me, because the same people tend to get sick at the same periods of time every year (roughly December through February). Why wouldn't those fibers make them sick in May or October?
People have come down with flu symptoms for ages, before there was carpet or cell phone towers.
Okay, you sawed off the limb I was climbing out on, but I knew it could happen. You're right, something like that does need investigating so we can answer your questions, and mine. But no one looks for alternative explanations - that's the point I was driving at. Thanks for taking time.
I have become a much bigger believer in the importance of Vitamin D and changes in temperatures and sunlight having something/much to do with seasonal "bugs."
If that's true, the guidance that everyone stay inside was 100-percent backwards. Ron Paul, a doctor, said that early on in Covid.
I personally was sick in March 2020...for two days cause I took tamiflu....but I suspect it was just a new influenza strain that because of 5g or lack of vit d...people tend to get up here in the winter.
Never occurred to me it might have been covid...there weren't any cases where I am....I think the only case was supposedly in oregon?
Don't know..but I tend to think there cannot be an engineered RNA virus that can go around the world. No one I know was sick after March 2020....
I often highlight the observation that I didn't know anyone who was sick with flu-like symptoms after mid-March 2020. However, where I live (south Alabama) it seems like 30 percent of our town had those symptoms in December, January and early February.
I know this was common all over the country because I wrote a 10,000-word article that simply listed people saying they had these symptoms in this time span. Before that I wrote a long story, with scores of links to newspaper, magazine and Internet articles talking about the bad (and early) "flu outbreaks." (One of my quotes was from Dr. Fauci, talking about the really bad flu season - in early January 2020).
Then I wrote another story that listed 120 school systems or schools in 17 states that shut down because of rampant illnesses among students and faculty.
I threw in about 20 ILI Weekly Surveillance Reports from about 10 different states that said ILI was "severe" and "widespread" in at least 47 U.S. states.
That's about all I can do on the "symptom" front.
I live in Alberta, Bill and got it in late January. A friend of ours in Ottawa caught it in December 2019.,
My husband and I got the illness that "didn't exist" in Jan 2020 as well. I had lingering effects like uncontrollable cold chills coming from nowhere and bouts of extreme fatigue. I've never had a flu or cold that left me with lingering symptoms and I'm pushing 61 turns around the planet now.
I keep hearing or reading testimonials like yours - that this illness was somehow different than previous bouts with the flu or other bugs. That resonates with me.