"...Josh Martin explains in harrowing detail what it was like to survive the Lahaina...Martin's account is horrific. And there are so many more we are not hearing."
>What explains flames actually coming into the water?
Oil slick/chemical spill from jetty/harbour. That's why getting in the ocean during a fire isn't 100% safe although staying on land is 100% not safe. The heat comes in waves and feels and sounds like a bomb especially with petrol sources exploding.
>Burning boats 50 yards away from shore?
See above plus embers. Also boats can catch fire in their mooring and be set adrift.
Edit: I am very sorry Hawaii. Australians see this nearly every summer. Some seasons are worse than others and we are next. The arsonists are gearing up as our government fails.
Embers can travel for kilometers on forward winds and ignite spot fires. Also the boats may have caught alight closer to shore and drifted further out - either unintentionally or by arsonists.
you know that one of Gate's villas has something like 17 toilets and obviously he can't sit on all of them in the same time... Unless he makes use of some kind of teleportation..
Great idea, they should set an example, open their homes to these people. Oprah has a huge villa in Maui too. She was saying how "they" will build back. Who is she to say how they will build back? That's not her land.
I know, despicable. You can't even buy groceries for two weeks on that (I know, I've visited Maui at least 15 times). I know Lahaina, it was a lovely charming town.
While there are many legitimate questions on how it started and the response to it, I have seen nothing that has not long been reported about wild fires throughout my life. In still air, flames shoot straight up and quite high. With high winds, they lie flat at least as far as high if in no wind and probably farther. As another wrote, liquid fuel from ruptured containers flowing into the water will cause allow flame atop the water. This can be easily seen in footage of the aftermath of the Tsunami we surrendered a few years back here in Japan.
There are enough questions about how it began and the response of the local authorities. Please do not discredit these by stating that what is common in wind blown fires is something other.
With all due respect, and with utmost sensitivity to the HORRIBLE trauma, I do hope and wish that those who went thru this horrible even will turn to the Lord. This does show that there are more important things than money and power.
"There is more sick sinister dealings at play here. One random independent reporter spoke with an elderly local who walked out of the area that was torched. His recount was something like this. The fire was just beside Safeway he is walking along the highway with all cars pact with residents. He gets to the beginning of the line of STOPPED cars and sees it’s a police officer holding the cars back. So he asks the police officer why are you holding the line there is no one in front and I just came from Safeway the fire is just behind it. Officer responded “I have orders to hold them here”. So he kept walking gets to a safer beach area turns around and STILL sees NO ONE driving down the road. At that point he hears popping of gas tanks and screaming of the people.
The horror of this is unimaginable. To have so many failures in public safety systems is not coincidental. Hawaiians have always been treated like second class citizens by the wealthy and corrupt politicians that invade their islands. Hawaii should vote for independence.
Doesn't take much to Compare Santa Rosa/ California & Eastern Seaboard Australian 'Simultaneous Fires'- Amazing! Check the photo galleries. HOW can you have a House & Vehicle, with Different Varieties of Materials ( Glass/ metals - Run like riverlets - [ I work with multiple Metallurgy, gas & Plastics] That AIN'T 'Normal' no matter how many Burnt vehicles you 'Study', AND, Vehicles catching Fire in a Stand alone Carpark? = REALLY??), 'Vaporise', whilst adjacent to them Trees & Foliage 'Survive', AND - NO 'Fire Track'!! So 'Fires' just 'Selectively leap about'?? And with Maui, prevailing breezes on the day - Apparently Onshore, but Burning boats Offshore = Nature IS amazing! Check the above 'Fire' Galleries, in league with 'Burnt vehicles' 2-3 blocks away from Sept 11 WTC., & burnt to Foundations Buildings. = What do you see? = THE SAME!
Last; Amazing of All amazingments - HOW can 'Certain' Houses/ infrastructure/ gardens be 'O.K', whilst all around Everything is Destroyed?? = Magic!
This is one of the most horrific and compelling accounts I've seen thus far. It is mind bending as we lead up to the nine eleven date; we need to be on guard. Prayers to all the victims and the heavy losses. Justice will come soon.
Not allowing people to escape...children purposely burning alive... I cannot even imagine what the Martin's endured and to lose their beloved pets, I am so sorry. It's just sickening. I am a recovered burn victim and someone who lost their home due to arson fire in my early teens. I don't want to hear another word about fake forest fires or climate bs. YEAH YOU RFK Jr. Y'all need to wake the f up, GROW A PAIR and START ACTING NOW!!!
I can relate. I almost lost my home in 1998, to an adjacent stable fire. Only two miracles that occured saved my home, while the stable burned to the ground. Being in a fire is extremely traumatic.
On the 7th of january CA capitol had wind of 75 miles per hour. I didn't see a SINGLE BROKEN GLAS, not to speak about totally MISSING GLASS everywhere. If you add fire to the wind, you still have way to go to let all the glass disappear. Thank you for the temperature table it will be needed, for a proof of crime, add glass if you can find it. Just double save everything so you do not loos any data like me..
And fire comes up out of the ground. Why are there no burn tracks? I guess you believe in coincidences then. Police chief is same one that was in Las Vegas at the time of the concert when gunman opened up on crowd and no further investigation, ppl not allowed to escape, firemen told to stand down, not one of 80 alarms went off...want me to go on? I guess it only counts if it happens down under. You should watch Dane Wiginton.
"There is more sick sinister dealings at play here. One random independent reporter spoke with an elderly local who walked out of the area that was torched. His recount was something like this. The fire was just beside Safeway he is walking along the highway with all cars pact with residents. He gets to the beginning of the line of STOPPED cars and sees it’s a police officer holding the cars back. So he asks the police officer why are you holding the line there is no one in front and I just came from Safeway the fire is just behind it. Officer responded “I have orders to hold them here”. So he kept walking gets to a safer beach area turns around and STILL sees NO ONE driving down the road. At that point he hears popping of gas tanks and screaming of the people.
Wow, I hope this story gets put out there. I really can't believe all the doubters on here. I knew as soon as it came out what was going on. Fires in Calif, Canada, Syria... I pray this be the catalyst to wake the rest up. And that fat child trafficker Orca showing up w a news crew, she knew there was going to be kids, so sick. Should have locked her up before. Seize all her assets.
>What explains flames actually coming into the water?
Oil slick/chemical spill from jetty/harbour. That's why getting in the ocean during a fire isn't 100% safe although staying on land is 100% not safe. The heat comes in waves and feels and sounds like a bomb especially with petrol sources exploding.
>Burning boats 50 yards away from shore?
See above plus embers. Also boats can catch fire in their mooring and be set adrift.
Edit: I am very sorry Hawaii. Australians see this nearly every summer. Some seasons are worse than others and we are next. The arsonists are gearing up as our government fails.
🙏 praying for our Aussie neighbors ❤️🩹
50 ft out? Fire coming out of the ground, as reported. Get real.
Embers can travel for kilometers on forward winds and ignite spot fires. Also the boats may have caught alight closer to shore and drifted further out - either unintentionally or by arsonists.
Edit: is the area volcanic?
No.
oil slick with winds of >70mph middle in the island with nothing but water around????
embers in water? Aren't they wet with these winds before catching this apparent fire??? Where are you coming from?? Did you get the injection?
Could the people seeing shelter go to Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg's place, or something.
I guess they didn't think of that, or guards with machine guns kept them out, or something.
you know that one of Gate's villas has something like 17 toilets and obviously he can't sit on all of them in the same time... Unless he makes use of some kind of teleportation..
I don't know, I bet he could manage.
That's a great idea Edwin!
Great idea, they should set an example, open their homes to these people. Oprah has a huge villa in Maui too. She was saying how "they" will build back. Who is she to say how they will build back? That's not her land.
Sadly, it will never happen. Biden offered them only $700, while sending Ukraine countless billions.
I know, despicable. You can't even buy groceries for two weeks on that (I know, I've visited Maui at least 15 times). I know Lahaina, it was a lovely charming town.
While there are many legitimate questions on how it started and the response to it, I have seen nothing that has not long been reported about wild fires throughout my life. In still air, flames shoot straight up and quite high. With high winds, they lie flat at least as far as high if in no wind and probably farther. As another wrote, liquid fuel from ruptured containers flowing into the water will cause allow flame atop the water. This can be easily seen in footage of the aftermath of the Tsunami we surrendered a few years back here in Japan.
There are enough questions about how it began and the response of the local authorities. Please do not discredit these by stating that what is common in wind blown fires is something other.
Thanks for weighing in.
With all due respect, and with utmost sensitivity to the HORRIBLE trauma, I do hope and wish that those who went thru this horrible even will turn to the Lord. This does show that there are more important things than money and power.
Or turn to 2A.
What's 2A?
Second Amendment 👍
Thznks
Too bad they coudn't make Kauai and hide out in Mark Zuckerbergs Mark Zuckerberg adds 1,500-acre Hawaii estate
Or Orca's
We can certainly see that this was another orchestrated event to depopulate and mame people.
Exactly!
Boom!
They are good with the three-fers and four-fers
👍 Plain as day.
"There is more sick sinister dealings at play here. One random independent reporter spoke with an elderly local who walked out of the area that was torched. His recount was something like this. The fire was just beside Safeway he is walking along the highway with all cars pact with residents. He gets to the beginning of the line of STOPPED cars and sees it’s a police officer holding the cars back. So he asks the police officer why are you holding the line there is no one in front and I just came from Safeway the fire is just behind it. Officer responded “I have orders to hold them here”. So he kept walking gets to a safer beach area turns around and STILL sees NO ONE driving down the road. At that point he hears popping of gas tanks and screaming of the people.
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Yes, I have read that too. The perpetrators executed exactly to their plans and I am sure that blood money was flowing. It is war.
Effing evil bastards!
This makes me furious how this was all orchestrated and planned!!
They'll get theirs in the end!
GOD doesn't like evil!!
To Build Back Better you have to destroy first.
The horror of this is unimaginable. To have so many failures in public safety systems is not coincidental. Hawaiians have always been treated like second class citizens by the wealthy and corrupt politicians that invade their islands. Hawaii should vote for independence.
Just like 911 except we're awake this time.
Yep, just like 9-11...except I was awake then. I was baffled how everyone was buying a ridiculous story.
Right? That's when I decided to quit watching MSN and their fear mongering lies. You can't fix stupid.
Doesn't take much to Compare Santa Rosa/ California & Eastern Seaboard Australian 'Simultaneous Fires'- Amazing! Check the photo galleries. HOW can you have a House & Vehicle, with Different Varieties of Materials ( Glass/ metals - Run like riverlets - [ I work with multiple Metallurgy, gas & Plastics] That AIN'T 'Normal' no matter how many Burnt vehicles you 'Study', AND, Vehicles catching Fire in a Stand alone Carpark? = REALLY??), 'Vaporise', whilst adjacent to them Trees & Foliage 'Survive', AND - NO 'Fire Track'!! So 'Fires' just 'Selectively leap about'?? And with Maui, prevailing breezes on the day - Apparently Onshore, but Burning boats Offshore = Nature IS amazing! Check the above 'Fire' Galleries, in league with 'Burnt vehicles' 2-3 blocks away from Sept 11 WTC., & burnt to Foundations Buildings. = What do you see? = THE SAME!
Last; Amazing of All amazingments - HOW can 'Certain' Houses/ infrastructure/ gardens be 'O.K', whilst all around Everything is Destroyed?? = Magic!
aDEWs - I'm not French!
Wellness - John D
The closing statement says it all :
America is under constant attack by the terrorist regime in power, run by criminals and satanists.
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Oh my God, my God, my God. Have mercy on us 🙏
This is one of the most horrific and compelling accounts I've seen thus far. It is mind bending as we lead up to the nine eleven date; we need to be on guard. Prayers to all the victims and the heavy losses. Justice will come soon.
Psalms 37:1-40 Amen
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Justice for these people. Punishment for those that knowingly did not help! So so so sad.
Not allowing people to escape...children purposely burning alive... I cannot even imagine what the Martin's endured and to lose their beloved pets, I am so sorry. It's just sickening. I am a recovered burn victim and someone who lost their home due to arson fire in my early teens. I don't want to hear another word about fake forest fires or climate bs. YEAH YOU RFK Jr. Y'all need to wake the f up, GROW A PAIR and START ACTING NOW!!!
Sorry
No problem
I meant for your personal experience.
Ooooh! Thank you! 🌞
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I can relate. I almost lost my home in 1998, to an adjacent stable fire. Only two miracles that occured saved my home, while the stable burned to the ground. Being in a fire is extremely traumatic.
On the 7th of january CA capitol had wind of 75 miles per hour. I didn't see a SINGLE BROKEN GLAS, not to speak about totally MISSING GLASS everywhere. If you add fire to the wind, you still have way to go to let all the glass disappear. Thank you for the temperature table it will be needed, for a proof of crime, add glass if you can find it. Just double save everything so you do not loos any data like me..
And fire comes up out of the ground. Why are there no burn tracks? I guess you believe in coincidences then. Police chief is same one that was in Las Vegas at the time of the concert when gunman opened up on crowd and no further investigation, ppl not allowed to escape, firemen told to stand down, not one of 80 alarms went off...want me to go on? I guess it only counts if it happens down under. You should watch Dane Wiginton.
"There is more sick sinister dealings at play here. One random independent reporter spoke with an elderly local who walked out of the area that was torched. His recount was something like this. The fire was just beside Safeway he is walking along the highway with all cars pact with residents. He gets to the beginning of the line of STOPPED cars and sees it’s a police officer holding the cars back. So he asks the police officer why are you holding the line there is no one in front and I just came from Safeway the fire is just behind it. Officer responded “I have orders to hold them here”. So he kept walking gets to a safer beach area turns around and STILL sees NO ONE driving down the road. At that point he hears popping of gas tanks and screaming of the people.
"
Wow, I hope this story gets put out there. I really can't believe all the doubters on here. I knew as soon as it came out what was going on. Fires in Calif, Canada, Syria... I pray this be the catalyst to wake the rest up. And that fat child trafficker Orca showing up w a news crew, she knew there was going to be kids, so sick. Should have locked her up before. Seize all her assets.